How to Run an Institution in an Anti-Institution Era | Better in Person

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0:12Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner, and this is a bonus episode called How to Run an Institution in an Anti-Institution Era.

0:21It comes from our new TV talk show, Better in Person.

0:24The guests are Ann Pasternak, director of the Brooklyn Museum, and Michael Roth, president of Wesleyan University.

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0:41As always, thanks for listening.

0:48I think most people will be surprised to know that I play in a geezer rock band.

0:55I just love it.

0:56That is not surprising.