Most Replayed Moment: Ex-CIA Reveals What Spies Know About Human Nature
Jul 31, 2026 · 33 min
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0:04John, how did you come to be a CIA spy? When I was nine years old, I told my parents that I wanted to be a spy when I grew up. It came time to apply for college, and I only applied at one university, George Washington University in Washington, because it was two blocks from the White House, and it was one of only three schools in America that offered a Middle Eastern studies program.
0:30I was one of only four people in that brand new Middle Eastern Studies program. I stayed for a master's degree in Legislative Affairs with a focus on foreign policy analysis. I was taking a class in that program called the Psychology of Leadership. It was taught by an eminent psychiatrist named Dr. Gerald Post.
0:52And he gave us an assignment one day where we had to shadow our bosses. We had to just follow our bosses for a week. Your bosses? Yeah. I worked at a labor union called the United Food and Commercial Workers Union. And so we were just supposed to follow our boss around for a week and then write a psychological profile.
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