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Most Replayed Moment: Fear Is A Skill You Can Train! Lessons From The World's Greatest Climber

Aug 14, 2026 · 26 min

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0:04If your kids came to you, you have two girls, right?

0:05Yeah.

0:06If they came to you and said, Dad, like, give me advice on what I should aim at in life, would you tell them?

0:11I wouldn't give them advice.

0:12I'd be like, you do you.

0:13You find the thing you love to do, go hard, you know, basically, like, learn some skills, get good at something.

0:17Like, what do you like to do?

0:18I mean, that's kind of the thing for me, especially with climbing, is, like, if someone had told me, like, you're going to train climbing for the rest of your life,

0:25people are like, oh, that sounds like kind of a grind, you know?

0:27Because, I mean, it is hard work.

0:29You're, like, hiking uphill with a heavy backpack, and it's cold and it's windy.

0:31It's, like, it's basically physically uncomfortable.

0:33I mean, being a professional rock climber means that you're physically uncomfortable all the time.

0:38Like, often, you know?

0:39Like, it's, you know, it's hard.

0:41Yeah.

0:41But if you're doing it because you freaking love doing it, it doesn't feel very hard.

0:45And so, I mean, I think the key for a kid is find the thing that doesn't feel like hard work.

0:49And when you started, were you scared of big, tall rock faces and stuff like that?

0:55I mean, yeah, I had like a healthy intimidation of things.

0:58I mean, like my first season in Yosemite, the first time seeing El Cap as a climber, I was 19, and it looks impossible.

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