656: The connection between pain & the brain | Rachel Zoffness, Ph.D.

Jun 28, 2026 · 55 min

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0:03What if everything you've been told about pain is wrong?

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0:06Rachel Zophnis is a pain psychologist who's been studying the neuroscience of chronic pain for more than 30 years.

0:13In her new book, Tell Me Where It Hurts, she argues the way medicine treats pain is missing two-thirds of the problem.

0:20In today's show, we get into why pain is never purely biochemical.

0:24Zophnis walks me through her pain recipe framework and also talks about the unsettling research and how the words a doctor says can actually amplify pain.

0:35I shared my own story of how sciatica almost sent me to back surgery 17 years ago, and she helped me understand something I've thought about for quite some time, why letting go of the outcome may actually have been the thing that healed me.

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0:48This is a good one.

0:49Let's dive in.

0:53So you say everything we've been told about pain is wrong.

0:58I'm a maker of bold statements.

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