Podcasts / The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

AI Debate Ed Zitron, Andrew McAfee, Nate Soares, Roman Yampolskiy

Sep 17, 2026 · 2h 27m

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0:00The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill all of us by the end of the decade.

0:05This tweet has caused this huge ripple effect across the world.

0:07Well, we have the largest companies in the world doing extremely reckless experiments.

0:11We are gambling all of humanity.

0:13And in the envelope, you've written down the probability of extinction as you see it.

0:18There is no way to control it.

0:19That means the end for us.

0:20I vehemently reject that view.

0:23If we make stuff that is smarter than us, then the world's going to be shaped by them.

0:27Gentlemen, that is shockingly naive.

0:29This is rampant speculation.

0:32This is a chain of things that could happen.

0:34We're spending a lot of oxygen discussing something that might happen while ignoring what's actually happening.

0:38People are killing themselves.

0:40There's hundreds of millions of people being exposed to bad information, being manipulated.

0:44We have already seen that with the swarms.

0:46where OpenAI told thousands of agents to work apart, and the AIs broke out and found a way to get together.

0:50They crashed OpenAI's servers internally, created secret ways to send each other messages.

0:55We saw them thinking about how to delete their traces.

0:58Sounds like an army.

0:58I think we should talk about the fact that Amazon, Microsoft, Google are helping power these hacks.

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