Rachel Zoffness (on pain)

Apr 15, 2026 · 2h 4m

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0:00Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert Experts on Expert.
0:03I'm Dan Shepard.
0:04I'm joined by Lily Padman.
0:05Hi.
0:06We have a guest today with the cutest last name, perhaps, we've ever had: Rachel Zoffness.
0:12Yeah, this was a great episode.
0:14I just love that last name.
0:15It's a good last name.
0:16It's a little misleading because this isn't a Zoff episode.
0:21Although it is in also another way.
0:24I guess.
0:25She is a leading pain psychologist and neuroscientist.
0:28You guys, this episode is so incredible.
0:31I think it's one of the best of the year.
0:33It's so many of us know, as you learn in here, there's 1.8 billion people in the world suffering from chronic pain, and there's 100 million Americans, and we don't understand how we experience pain, truly.
0:46And this is an incredible explanation of how it actually works.
0:50And it's quite an empowering take on it.
0:52It is.
0:52Yeah.
0:53So her book is called Tell Me Where It Hurts, The New Science of Pain and How to Heal.
0:58I have already sent it to two people who I know who suffer from chronic pain.
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